I worked at a shell station in Massachusetts in 04 had a crack head pull a Jennings 22 on me demanding cash I laughed and pulled my Glock 10mm he screamed dropped the gun ran outside and fell cracked his skull cops gave me a hard time real nice huh figured I’d share, What hes talking about is failure to stop not kill,big difference.The .357 was developed in the roaring twenties and thirties to penetrate car bodies of bank robbers.The.38 special failures spawned the.357.In both criminals and cars, This is always a funny conversation. Oh! 22 LR vs. 25 ACP in a Beretta Tip-up (model 21)...? Neither are even remotely close to a stopper, but the .22 kills far better. He has a soft spot for ballistics testing, pocket pistols, and French rifles. The 22 LR isn’t. You can decide if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. The little .22 penetrated the first two jugs but came to rest in the third, completely and perfectly mushroomed. My 317 always did have a pretty good action, but it had to go back to S&W to get either Velocitors or WW Power Points to zero properly.

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It would easily go over 1000 FPS. I load it with fmj. When he is not burning ammo, he is indulging his unhealthy wildlife photography obsession or working on his latest novel. A P32 is my "always" gun. Having been shot dead in the chest with a .25ACP from about 10 feet away, I'd recommend at least the .22lr. It also appears to have an edge in power too.

Also bought the nickel job for $50. 25s were even issued to various militaries in minor capacities. I first bought a Raven in 1982 in Houston. Under his motto—Guns, Never Politics—he tackles firearm and reloading topics both in print and on his Mark3smle YouTube channel, where he got his start. It is worth noting some of the downsides of the 25 ACP. While this test was certainly not wholly scientific it was evidence that the little .25 ACP was certainly far and away above the performance of the .22 Long Rifle which is what has been compared to in a negative light. Again though, I am not here to plant the flag of the .25 ACP in the hearts and minds of the unwashed masses, just to dispute the claim that the .22 Long Rifle is better. When it gets down to it, the debate about which is a better manstopper is no debate at all.

When I went to look to see where it had stopped I found that the little .25 had penetrated all of the jugs and traveled into the unknown. The .32ACP would, of course be preferable. A similar test using common brand 22 LR ammunition in the same sized handgun gave me similar results, with more than a few brands including CCI Stingers, exceeding the requirement. Put the 25 caliber projectile in a 22 magnum size case and call it the 25 Magnum. One can't deny the immutable laws of physics, but is bullet construction NOW the same as bullet construction almost 3 decades ago?

As a up close last line of defiance it is good enough for me to consider. If you're limited to .22 or .25, absolutely go with .22.

My wife shot a PPK(380) and a Beretta Storm SC(9mm) at a target(10') and couldnt hit it,shooting in a somewhat rapid fire exercise, but was able to put all 7 shots with the Bobcat in the chest. When you mention the .25 ACP to someone and after the laughter dies down you will be told that you are better off buying a .22 Long Rifle for personal defense. 22’s work well for this also. The budget-friendly line of American-made Leupold VX-Freedom riflescopes found a welcome audience last year, but 2020 sees even more interesting additions to the family, with our hands-down favorite being the illuminated-reticle FireDot line. I enjoyed this article. 25 ACP velocities at 7 yards: 865, 866, 875, 855 (35 grain JHP) Then take her shooting a lot and maybe she will step up to something bigger after she gets more comfortable.

Where are you finding a .22 mag or .25 acp with a 3" barrel ?

Now, compare that to the larger calibers: .380 ACP, .38 Special, 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP all had between 13-17% failures to incapacitate.

This inhibited the penetration and its effective range, while the .25 ACP's FMJ (generating nearly identical energies) penetrated more deeply due to bullet construction. That statement is only partially true.

The Remington round, though it landed squarely jettisoned from the block at the seven-inch mark did very little damage upon exiting the block. In .357 it gives options from .38 wadcutters for gentle training up to 180 grain magnums (if you want to set your target on fire). The only .22 LR round that “outperforms” the .25 in terms of muzzle velocity is the CCI Stinger, which should be noted still failed to expand at those muzzle velocities. Until that magic loading comes, this quarter-bore fan will be on standby. In the heyday of firearms, the preference was to match a tiny cartridge to an oversized pistol. Thanks. Good article.

Like Jesse, I think I would prioritize 32, then 22.

The choice, as they say, is up to you.

This takes into account side shots, the presence of bone, and other stoppages that the bullet has to get through to reach vital organs. Thank you for the test. I collect little 25’s. I don’t want to kill anyone, but do want to prevent being car-jacked.

Look at the 3" barrel instead of the snub. Like myself, you might think the 25 to be a legitimate deep cover pistol. They’re a .32 ACP & .380 ACP case necked down to .25 & .32 caliber respectively.

However, I will soon be getting a S&W 442 and it will probably replace it. I would like to see some tests of the .25 NAA round from North American Arms though. The 25 ACP is made for tiny pistols. Millions of pistols come chambered for the puny round. Personally I would avoid the .25ACP at all costs...I would feel safer with a good knife or a pocket full of rocks. I would get her a Ruger SR22. Why is the choice between .25 and .32? Today we associate the “quarter bore” with cheap, throwaway pistols and a complete lack of power to do anything. Someone would assume this makes the 22 automatically more suitable, but that would ignore the matter of bullet weight; 50-grain FMJ in the 25 vs 36-grain HP. Still the .25 has been used successfully in the past for personal defense (hence the reason it is still being offered despite so many other guns out there). But which of the two is better for defense?

I'm probably wrong but the 25 seems harder to find options on and many of the guns seem like purse fillers or SatNiteSpecials and not all that versatile.

Good information. I would love to have a 45 ACP on hand if I ever need to fire a handgun in self-defense, but the fact is that some guns are just too big for practical carry in all situations. The .25 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) (6.35×16mmSR) is a semi-rimmed, straight-walled centerfire pistol cartridge introduced by John Browning in 1905 alongside the Fabrique Nationale M1905 pistol. Speer’s bullet tumbled end over end toward the end of its travel, stretching the cavity as it came to rest 10 3/8 inches in the block. Twelve inches of penetration is what I needed, minimally, for the cartridge to be acceptable for self-defense. I think Mr. Browning knew a thing or two about guns so I'd take his 25 ACP.

Scourge of God, published in 2017. When you mention the .25 ACP to someone and after the laughter dies down you will be told that you are better off buying a .22 Long Rifle for personal defense. I would be willing to bet your wife would do much better with a different pistol. More importantly, get her used to carrying a weapon she can get hits with.

The blue has a teflon like coating.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Joshua M. Smith, Jan 8, 2007. .25 ACP is supposed to have an edge in primer reliability, but I think that with quality ammo I'd prefer the .22 due to it's edge in power and penetration. It should come as no surprise the Ruger name is synonymous with value, and its’ AR-556 looks to fit this mold as an entry-level AR-15 with a reasonable MSRP. You are not dead!

One of te best and smallest 32 autos on the market is the Kel Tec P32. i have short barreled automatics in both .22 and .25.

Voting makes people feel sad, very, very sad. With the Remington round lost, I fired two Fiocchi FMJ rounds into the block. It has been 100% reliable and acceptably accurate.

The stretch cavities for both rounds were a solid inch in diameter and extending three inches in the block, a few inches upon entry. 1st was the 50-grain, shooting all the ammunition through my Caldwell Chronograph to find out how much velocity each load was imparting. I'd carry one over a PPK.

I think YOU should do it and invent a new caliber. And as Harrell states in the video, sometimes you need a really little gun. Hands down. Login with username, password and session length, My wife has givin me the thumbs up to get her a PD gun. They’re about the same, and both calibers are going to make little dinky holes in an assailant. If she likes double action pistols, I would look at the Beretta Tomcat. Our target backer was an old piece of plywood… Read more ». Would the 25 benefit from the copper bullets with grooves such as Lehigh defense? John Browning broke this cycle when he developed his slide operated pistols and was quick to adopt a pocket version for his new tailor-made cartridge, the 25 ACP for the Browning M1905 pistol.

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